Gone astray - Our own??

[Oh so annoyed]

So will this ever end because it is getting really boring in here.

[Not until they stop]

I am not gonna quit as long as one of them talks smack about me or the "other" forum.

You ask what my point is? Are you really serious and cannot understand that a GI pistol belt does not belong on an RKKA impression?

You wear more decorations than a Banana Republic Dictator and you can't see an issue with that?

Wow is all I have to say.

Martin

[daveww2]

???Talk RKKA, Soviet, CCCP, Sputnik, toilet paper or whatever... and don't trash other people on or with other forums and this board will get back on track. But stay the course I've been seeing here for a while, and you're gonna keep going down this same old road.

Just Say'n,

Yawn.

DaaHVeeD

[crazydima]

Tovarischi,

As most of us realize this section of the board is not for the feint of heart. Never has been never will be. This section gives folks a place to vent and to bring up issues that other boards won't.

Nothing requires anyone to come and view or post threads in this section of the board.

This board has more than enough information and links to keep folks busy regarding research on various aspects of the RKKA. Those who choose to focus on this section of the board do so of their own free will.

You see the big difference here vs the other board is that here we "talk smack" out in the open as opposed to hiding in a private MOD section of the other forum and cluck like old hens telling gossip.

Do not think for one minute that I will set back and allow folks on other forums or in the hobby the chance to electronically b itch slap me, attack my character, make physical threats or otherwise impugn my reputation without me taking the time to respond and call them out I have experienced those hit and run tactics too often on the other forums and I won't let such keyboard commandos get away with it.

I also make no apologies about pointing out hypocrites when I see them no matter what board they are on. I give folks a chance to defend a position but as we see over and over all I get crude and foul references and attacks. So do not be surprised when I respond in the same manner. Buck up and discuss issues and you will be treated accordingly. Choose to take the low road then expect to get muddy.

Besides, I usually do not give too much credence to comments from those who remain anonymous. It usually means that there is a good reason for the person posting to be hiding behind an alias. Heck for as a much crap as I give MOD Marty he even signs his name.

However, I do find it amazing to see how some folks now espouse taking the high road after doing their fair share of dirty work in past forays. Telling lies to me and calling me names won't win me over as a friend or gain you respect as an adversary.

It also appears that some folks on the forum may need more sleep. LOL!

Just say'n

Sincerely,

Dima
(still nobodys stooge) Ring any bells Daaahveed?

[horsesoldier176]

Apr 1, 2010 9:14:11 GMT -5 @Not until they stop said:

I am not gonna quit as long as one of them talks smack about me or the "other" forum.

You ask what my point is? Are you really serious and cannot understand that a GI pistol belt does not belong on an RKKA impression?

You wear more decorations than a Banana Republic Dictator and you can't see an issue with that?

Wow is all I have to say.

Martin

OK Martin;

The very first year I went to FIG, (five years ago), I wore a U.S. pistol belt, holster, and carried a U.S. issue .Victory model pistol. I was portraying "AOM", which is the Allied Observation Mission. These were Red Army troops attached to U.S. Army units as observers. The U.S. Army provided these observers with sidearms for personal self defense. The Allied Command at the event, attached me to the U.S. MP section, because they didn't know what else to do with me. As a result, I was doing MP duties, wearing the U.S. weapon.

Since then (the last four years), I have worn Red Army gear, and no longer do the AOM impression. I did AOM the very first year, because I was unsure of how a Red Army impression would be received. Now I see that it is received (at least by the Federation) with friendly ambivalence, so I do the Red Army, and most of the units are OK with it as well. Some individuals are opposed to it, but so what.

As to the awards I wear on my dress uniform, (and that is the only place I wear any[other than wound stripes]), they are correspondent to the awards I earned in the U.S. Army over my 20+ year career. So why do you have a problem with that?

Besides, some of the other Red Army re-enactors who attend FIG wear far more than I do.

Also, I do not wear HSU, like you are reported to.

Boridin

[crazydima]

Tovarischi,

Excellent reply Tovarisch Boridin.

Now MOD Marty brought up an interesting point in the midst of one of his normally unintelligible rants.

So i think we should take a closer look at his statement:
"Are you really serious and cannot understand that a GI pistol belt does not belong on an RKKA impression?"

Now being a student of military history I am always interested in learning knew information and quashing out ignorance.

So did MOD Marty's statement mean that the use of a GI psitol belt as pat of any RKKA impression (infantry, artillery, Cavalry, etc. etc.)?

If that is the case then Tovarisch Boridin has already addressed one problem with MOD Marty's statement. I have learned something new regarding the AOM.

Now my experience with Soviet use of a GI pistol belt is a very cool experience.

Approximately 7 years ago on I was surfing E-bay and ran across a GI pistol belt, GI canteen and GI canteen cover for sale from a person in the Estonia / Latvia region. The canteen had cyrillic lettering and various RKKA slogans and designs stippled into the front and back of the canteen.

I emailed the seller and asked its provenance and to make a long story short it was his grandfathers estate and he served in WWII in the Red Army. More importantly he served as a tank crewman. Even more important than that he was one of the few who served in a Sherman tank.

He said his grandfather never talked much about the war in general but he would get very talkative when asked about his tank. He like many other Russians referred to it as an "Emka" or "Emcha" or something like that. He evidently liked the tank very much. According the the grandfather the pistol belt and accessories were what he wore as a crewman in the Sherman and must have been part of the vehicle equipment package shipped over with it.

The pistol belt, canteen and cover was all that his grandfather had left from the war and now that he had passed on the family had no use for it and were selling it to help make ends meet. Kind of sad but understandable.

I will dig through my hudreds of jpegs and see if I can find the Ebay pic of the grouping.

Some fellow from the east coast won the bidding and paid a healthy sum for the lot. For some reason the number $175 sticks in my head but I wouldn't bet a paycheck on it.

Just goes to show that just when you think you know it all something comes along and proves you don't. LOL!

Sincerely,

Dima
(one who never stops learning)

[zayats]

He called it an "Emcha" because the designation was M-4 and an open 4 in Cyrillic looks like the letter Ч or 'Ch'

'Mcha - Emcha

I know one thing they also really liked was the generous tool kits that came with them.

[kharkov43]

There is a book out there called M-4 about a fellow who rode in a sherman during WW2, I can still see the book but its been years ago, Anyone know the book. Joe

[horsesoldier176]

It occurred to me, after I had posted my above statement, that I wear Red Army campaign ribbons on my dress uniform. Needless to say, the U.S. Army did not have any corresponding campaign ribbon for Red Army campaigns. The ribbons I wear, are the ones that would be appropriate for a senior Troop Serzhant of a Troop within the 25th Ukrainian Mounted Rifle Regiment.

As to most of the other awards, they correspond to awards from MY actual service in the U.S. Army.

So tell me Martin, if you have a problem with this, why?

Boridin

[Not a war hero]

Oh, well if you gotta show that your a war hero, then by all means, knock youself out!!

WTF ever!

I guess I never felt the need to wear more than one, as our unit allows, and a Guards badge.

I forgot, your a "special" guy with "special" needs, so go ahead and make an idiot of yourself.

Be my guest!!!

Martin

[Not a Crazy Farb]

Yup, once again, I forget that this is the forum for "special" people.

Use any documentation you can, to make your impression so "special" that you are "cool".

Put all the bizzare crapola in your impression!!! It makes it MORE authentic if you do that!!!

Too bad they don't have a "special" bike helmet for all of you!!

Martin

[daveww2]

:oNobody's Stooge... Hah, maybe in your own mind. ;D If you can hear anything over these ringing bells you speak of? ;D

::)Yawn.

DaaHVeeD

Apr 1, 2010 11:57:15 GMT -5 crazydima said:

Tovarischi,

As most of us realize this section of the board is not for the feint of heart. Never has been never will be. This section gives folks a place to vent and to bring up issues that other boards won't.

Nothing requires anyone to come and view or post threads in this section of the board.

This board has more than enough information and links to keep folks busy regarding research on various aspects of the RKKA. Those who choose to focus on this section of the board do so of their own free will.

You see the big difference here vs the other board is that here we "talk smack" out in the open as opposed to hiding in a private MOD section of the other forum and cluck like old hens telling gossip.

Do not think for one minute that I will set back and allow folks on other forums or in the hobby the chance to electronically b itch slap me, attack my character, make physical threats or otherwise impugn my reputation without me taking the time to respond and call them out I have experienced those hit and run tactics too often on the other forums and I won't let such keyboard commandos get away with it.

I also make no apologies about pointing out hypocrites when I see them no matter what board they are on. I give folks a chance to defend a position but as we see over and over all I get crude and foul references and attacks. So do not be surprised when I respond in the same manner. Buck up and discuss issues and you will be treated accordingly. Choose to take the low road then expect to get muddy.

Besides, I usually do not give too much credence to comments from those who remain anonymous. It usually means that there is a good reason for the person posting to be hiding behind an alias. Heck for as a much crap as I give MOD Marty he even signs his name.

However, I do find it amazing to see how some folks now espouse taking the high road after doing their fair share of dirty work in past forays. Telling lies to me and calling me names won't win me over as a friend or gain you respect as an adversary.

It also appears that some folks on the forum may need more sleep. LOL!

Just say'n

Sincerely,

Dima
(still nobodys stooge) Ring any bells Daaahveed?

[This is da Stooge board]

The only stooges are the farbs here.

I guess you can wear a GI belt, with no tank, and your super authentic!!

Real authentic reenactors laugh at that crap!!!

It fits your bizarre impression and personality, so why would I think something different!!!

Yes, they are boring, yet interesting in a sick sort of Manson family way!!!

I am waiting for Dima, "to put me in my place"!!!

That just makes my day!!!

Martin
(realizes that he cannot put everything bizzare into one impression)

[horsesoldier176]

Martin;

I have always tried to be respectful of you, and discuss ideas, issues, topics, and theories with you. You have yet to reciprocate with even a modicum of civility. You insult anything that you do not understand, or agree with. You slam peoples impressions, and when they make an effort to explain the purpose of a certain action, you further insult them, rather than debate the merits of the impression.

You seem to think that only Guards Infantry fought in the war. You seem to think that if someone does any impression other than yours, then they are (insert pejorative of the moment), and are therefore FARB, or some other irrelevant entity. I know that I don't do Infantry, and especially not Guards Infantry. I do an impression based on the real life actions, and experiences of a man I knew, and worked with.

Sorry, for you, that that offends you.

Until you are man enough to debate like an adult, and make reasonable points, or better yet, meet me at an event, and show me, with your obviously superior impression, why, and how I am wrong, then don't bother me.

Boridin

[Not a Guards Farb]

I can donkey nibbly bits well do and say, what I want. Your not gonna tell me what I can say or think, on this free will forum. You bytch about other "forums", yet you seem to think it is okay for you.

Fvcking pack of hypocrites!!!

Now shut your pie hole, deal with being called on an impression with post war belts and railroad tunics. Fix your mess and all is good!!

Martin