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Post by dixieflyer on Oct 1, 2009 11:09:00 GMT -5
Dima, is there a particular Finnish reenacting site that you have in mind, or should I just Google it?
Yuri
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Post by dixieflyer on May 13, 2010 22:19:16 GMT -5
Also, I think it is worth noting that Bessonov was in a Guards unit, was he not?
Yuri S.
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Post by crazydima on May 17, 2010 16:17:09 GMT -5
Tovarisch Yuri, I would try this website. www.kevos4.com/Significance of Guards unit? Sincerely, Dima
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Post by dixieflyer on May 17, 2010 16:22:35 GMT -5
"Significance of Guards unit?"
Because I have had certain scribes and sages tell me that there would be little to no use of captured weapons in a Guards unit since they had dibs on everything in the RKKA supply system.
Riiiiight.
Same folks told me you wouldn't see low boots and wraps in a Guards unit too. Bessonov specifically mentions his men having to dry the wraps to their low boots around a fire.
I'm jsut sayin'.
Yuri S.
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Post by crazydima on May 17, 2010 16:25:33 GMT -5
Tovarischi,
IMHO
Worries about use of or restricting the use of captured weapons should be dictated by historical research and not by re-enactor preference.
I have already blown out of the water through the use of research that the re-enactorism that RKKA forces did not use captured weapons is just as much a falsehood as having all RKKA forces armed with captured arms.
The photos and memoirs of the veterans themselves tell us exactly what was going on with regards to the use of captured and or foreign weapons.
We as re-enactors have to be willing to put forth the effort to do the research and stop taking the easy way out no matter which way it leads.
Sincerely,
Dima
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Post by dixieflyer on May 18, 2010 18:17:53 GMT -5
Agreed. Like many things, it needs to be done with restraint. We can document captured weapons along with beards, zeltbahns, etc. However, as my tovarisch Squirrely put it so well, we don't need frontoviks showing up with a 98k, a zelt, and a beard. Yuri S.
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Post by ba64driver on Dec 29, 2010 19:42:53 GMT -5
Tovarischee,
While beign a Soviet Reenactor for a while , I am new to this board. This is a very informative thread! & falls in line with what the unit I am in ( 2nd Co'y 756th Rifles, 150th Div) in AZ does.
In general, at tacticals the members can cary what ever is historically accurate for th etime line & portrayal, but at time line events and barrack, training events, etc we stick to RKKA regs.
It makes it fun that way & the best of both worlds...I usually cary an origonal Finnish knife on my trouser belt...Man that is one handy tool & opens cans in a heart beat!
Best to all
Vasili
Serzhant, 2nd Co'y, 756th Rifles, 150th Div HFA, Arizona
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Dec 31, 2010 15:41:48 GMT -5
Tovarisch Vasili;
As has been discussed at length in this very forum, there is evidence that Red Army troops, who had served in the defense of the Motherland from the barbaric, and unprovoked attack against the peace loving Soviet peoples by the fascist toadies of Finland, captured items, especially knives were a common trophy, and highly prized in Red Army service.
Boridin
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Post by vsahdneek on May 3, 2011 1:17:33 GMT -5
The cover or the Red Army Rifleman Osprey I just purchased book shows a common rifle unit armed with a mix of weapons including an SVT-40, Mosin-Nagant m31/90's, and 2 styles of German k98 's, one 98k of ww2 vintage and an earlier model carbine available in the 1920's0. And this includes the use of bayonets in this picture. The mp40 sub gun (German) was particularly liked by RKKA scouts as they could pick up captured ammo if operating behind German lines.
But as we have said here before, a whole unit armed with captured weapons would probably not be common, although it would be more common for partisans to have a higher percentage of captured weapons me thinks than a regular line unit.
Volodymyr
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bef
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In Mother Russian, A Big Man has a Big Hat.
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Post by bef on May 3, 2011 15:49:43 GMT -5
Comrades, Use Soviet Weapon Systems as a Norm to Red army scales, use of trophies is a gag to be used sparingly.
Think of it like this.... Your Political Officer calls you in for a word,
" Why do you use Fascist Weapon systems Comrade, when you are supplied with a Weapon and ammunition to complete your Combat Mission?....
Do you think their's better?....
How long have you acted in this Anti Soviet manner?....
When did you become a traitor?".
and so on.
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Post by dbloge on May 3, 2011 18:40:48 GMT -5
Comrades, Use Soviet Weapon Systems as a Norm to Red army scales, use of trophies is a gag to be used sparingly. Think of it like this.... Your Political Officer calls you in for a word, " Why do you use Fascist Weapon systems Comrade, when you are supplied with a Weapon and ammunition to complete your Combat Mission?.... Do you think their's better?.... How long have you acted in this Anti Soviet manner?.... When do you become a traitor?". and so on. Good point BEF ;D Danill
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bef
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Post by bef on May 4, 2011 23:48:00 GMT -5
Comrade,
That is the thing about the soviet systems paranoia and centrally controlled command society.
It is also the Gag we have that no other Direction of Interest can play, what cost blood then, is a character point for us.
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Post by vsahdneek on May 25, 2011 12:49:49 GMT -5
Try to remember that written policy is one thing, but a soldier will always use what is available for survival purposes and readily claim ignorance of orders and regulations when the upper brass is not around
Volodymyr
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bef
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Post by bef on May 26, 2011 0:00:21 GMT -5
Try to remember that written policy is one thing, but a soldier will always use what is available for survival purposes and readily claim ignorance of orders and regulations when the upper brass is not around Volodymyr Tak Tochno Comrade vsahdneek, but you could be denounced, so use the Trophy then get rid of it, you will still be required to have your State Issued Weapon System, you can't keep loosing it in Combat or having it destroyed by enemy action. See.. Your Political Officer orders you to report to his bunker, (While reading his Notes on your file, not looking at you.) " Why do you keep using Fascist Weapon systems Comrade, when you are supplied with a Weapon and ammunition to complete your Combat Mission?.... Do you still think their's better?.... Why?.... Why do you keep acting in this Anti Soviet manner?.... (He then looks at you like he knows everything.) Why are you a traitor?". You are placed under arrest, charged and sent for trial. and so on....
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Post by horsesoldier176 on May 26, 2011 13:56:26 GMT -5
Tovarisch Vsahdneek has nothing to fear from any Politruk, or Commissar, as we don't have any in our Troop. They don't last very long. They seem to have fatal accidents, most before they even report. However, he would have to explain to his Serzhant Otryad why he kept losing his state property, should that become an issue. LOL Boridin Tak Tochno Comrade Vsahdneek, but you could be denounced, so use the Trophy then get rid of it, you will still be required to have your State Issued Weapon System, you can't keep loosing it in Combat or having it destroyed by enemy action. See.. Your Political Officer orders you to report to his bunker, (While reading his Notes on your file, not looking at you.) " Why do you keep using Fascist Weapon systems Comrade, when you are supplied with a Weapon and ammunition to complete your Combat Mission?.... Do you still think their's better?.... Why?.... Why do you keep acting in this Anti Soviet manner?.... (He then looks at you like he knows everything.) Why are you a traitor?". You are placed under arrest, charged and sent for trial. and so on....
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