HRS Emergency Meeting and Impeachment

[crazydima]

Tovarischi,

[glow=red,2,300]18 days [/glow]and counting with no official word.

But who's counting.

Sincerely,

Dima
one of "The Crazies"

[crazydima]

Tovarisch Sasha,

Here is some official information regarding the last BOD meeting. This information was released via BOD member Dave Halseth and is part of the information contained in the upcoming "EDGE."

1.) Randall Palmer was removed from the Office of President by majority vote of the rest of the HRS BOD -- minus Ken Thompson and Randall Palmer, during a called closed meeting of the BOD. Both Mr. Thompson and Mr. Palmer were asked to attend this meeting and Mr. Thompson said he could not and Mr. Palmer chose not to attend. Mr. Palmer chose not to appeal the vote taken or contest the action taken. Why the majority of the BOD took this action and why it was done will be shared over the next months with the membership and the membership will be able to "Judge us" then. I can tell you it was NOT a hasty decision and NOT something we found Great Joy in doing. Why we called a meeting outside of the regular scheduled BOD meeting will also be shared -- the HRS Bylaws do allow the BOD that option (calling closed BOD meetings) outside of emergency powers. Minutes were kept, why they haven't been released, I do not know? We have nothing to hide and all will be known. Mr. Palmer was not removed as a member of the HRS and was asked to stay on as web Master -- no word as to what he will do.

2.) Tim Scherrer was removed as a member of this society by majority vote of the HRS BOD -- again NOTHING we found great pleasure in doing. He (Scherrer) will be appealing thru HRS unit Commanders and again have his day in court (so to speak) so that issue is not final. He's already got a pretty start all over the Internet already, so expect more of the same soon.

3.) A Letter of complaint was filed against Marilyn Fornell and Mike Bollow.

The letter of complaint against Marilyn's was rejected by the majority vote of the BOD after reading it and discussing the complaints. This point is now mute anyway, since Marilyn Fornell has resigned as a member of the BOD and as a member of the HRS -- it's really a dead issue now, is it not? This should also resolve (in the short term) the mental duress some seem to have had with family members serving on together on the BOD.

The letter against Mike Bollow has not been voted on to date by the BOD. I believe (?) it will be at the next BOD meeting?

4.) BOD meeting minutes? There were some questions raised about minutes from BOD meetings in 2004 -- I believe? One thing to remember the BOD used to only meet once ever other month or sometimes once every 6 months -- so not many minutes to publish. The practice of monthly BOD meetings only recently has become a practice.


Hopefully this provides some answers to your questions.

Sincerely,

Dima

[ewj]

I appreciate that there is concern about the recent things that have gone on in the HRS at the BoD level. Indeed, there whole thing seems rather disturbing to me as well.

In addition, I'd like some more facts. Unfortunately, the HRS, like many voluntary organizations cannot react quickly - and certainly not as quickly as the membership would wish. But remember, like the rest of us, the board have jobs to keep down and families to look after.

Ultimately, I do wonder if this is merely, to use a political analogy, something that is happening, as you Americans say "inside the Beltway." And like most political squabbles and palace coups not going to effect us grunts in the trenches.

Is the HRS disbanding? - Doesn't look like it.
Have we still insurance coverage through the HRS? - Yes, so we can play.
Any event been canceled because Palmers gone? - Nope.
Does there look like we've mass resignations from the HRS? - Not up here on the tundra (aka Great White North).

So looks like we can go out and have fun at events without worrying about this at the moment. As far as I can see, Randy Palmer was appointed to a job - he was never elected president. The BoD seems to have realized it made some mistake and corrected the matter. Where that was done correctly or not is another matter.

Don't like the current BoD - well wait to the next elections and vote in a new one.

No. I'm not trying to stifle criticism, I am asking that we do give the volunteer BoD time to sort themselves out and continue to have fun in the interim.

[iareenactor]

Eilliot has a point, the HRS is stronger then this whole thing but it has recieved a black eye on the PR front.

I for one am going to take a more active role in the organization, voting in a timely manner etc. Something I shouldve done anyway but I find the lack of information continuing to be odd, after all if they would have just published the whole, story, the mins and the whole procedure on what took place at the emergency meeting. Would not this whole issue been completly put down and settled? Giving the time for the dust to settle before the next election cycle and for members to be more objective?

Greg

[pollock1939]

Soo....what happened?
Did someone get a [glow=red,2,300] !@#$%[/glow] from an intern again?


[glow=red,2,300]Mr. pollock1939,

This forum is pretty easy going but even this forum has its limits. I apologize for removing a word from your post but such a reference does not belong here. I am sure that there are better analogies you could use.

Dima [/glow]

[crazydima]

Tovarischi,

Well I think Dima needs to take the time to express his opinion in detail. Grab a drink and get comfortable.

Overall I feel that this whole mess has been handled terribly and has caused undue hardship to the Society as a whole. Having said that let me address earlier posts.

Quick Reaction?
The last time I checked the vast majority of us have jobs families and yet we are still able to keep up with the hobby. And in this age of instant worldwide communication there is no real excuse not to make information available to the dues paying membership. Especially when we are dealing with such a serious situation as impeachment and removal(and attempted ejection) of the President of the Society and the ejection of one of the members of the Society. Too often folks are lazy. It comes down to time management.

Example:
Lets see, I got up this morning at 6:00 AM and drove 30 miles to work. Worked 8 hours and then drove home 30 miles home. Upon arriving home I immediately hopped into a van with my wife and twin daughters and drove 20 miles to their softball game. Then drove 20 miles home. Upon arriving home I went to my in laws house and looked at their computer to see if I could fix it. Then I came home and logged into the forums to post this message to reply to earlier messages. After this I am going to go out to Dima's Dungeon to make a Nagant holster. If Dima can do this then I think BOD members can post information from meetings in less than 18 days. If you are going to be a part of an organization such as HRS then you had better be up to the task.

Grunts in the Trenches?
What exactly is the definition of a "Grunt" in HRS. Last time I checked one of the folks I consider to be a grunt justed got kicked out of the Society.

HRS Disbanding?
I would hope that folks would not use this as the sole basis of determining if there is a problem. Heck HRS has been through the theft of money as well as other such activities in the past and it survived so I guess what is the point of such a statement.

Insurance?
What good does that do you if a select few can kick you out of the Society which is providing the insurance?

Unfortunately too many folks the world over have the attitude that :

"I don't want to make waves" or "It doesn't involve me so I am not worried" or "It's not my fight" or "Hey I still get to play so who cares" or my personal favorite "We can deal with it at a later date."

I believe such attitudes resulted in a little period of unpleasantness known as World War II with the failure to address the threat of Uncle Adolf. Ignoring a problem won't make it go away nor will hasty action solve it.

Mass Exodus from HRS?
Sadly many members of the HRS do not have a clue as to what has happened due to the fact that nothing officially has been made available to the membership for over 18 days after the actions taken. This is totally unacceptable considering the technology available to the BOD as well as the vast majority of the HRS membership. Besides it would be foolish to leave the society after investing money in dues as well as in our kits. You see if this were ACW re-enacting I would tell folks to go take a hike and go on my way. However, since this time period requires me to be a part of some umbrella organization then I figure I have a vested interest in what happens around me. I am not going anywhere.

Appointment?
If I am not mistaken the new President was not elected to his current position nor his previous position as VP so what exactly does that have to do with this mess or the price or rice in China.

Mistakes and Corrections?
I don't have a clue as to what that is suppose to mean but I will agree that mistakes were made and corrections are needed.

Current BOD?
This is an even numbered year and so I believe elections are coming up. Hmmmmmm.

Sorting & Fun?
18+ days seems a tad long for sorting and if you call watching some folks getting removed from office and others getting kicked out of the society having fun then I guess I will leave such folks to their own devices.

It is time to "beat to quarters" on the "HRS Bounty."

Thank you for your time and attention on this matter.

Sincerely,

Dima

[pollock1939]

pollock1939 said:

Soo....what happened?
Did someone get a [glow=red,2,300] !@#$%[/glow] from an intern again?


[glow=red,2,300]Mr. pollock1939,

This forum is pretty easy going but even this forum has its limits. I apologize for removing a word from your post but such a reference does not belong here. I am sure that there are better analogies you could use.

Dima [/glow]

Oh my god this is a wimpy forum. That was a joke. I'm going back to the RKKA re-enactor list.

[crazydima]

Tovarisch Pollock,

Yes, most of us knew that you were making a joke. However, the wording of your joke left a lot to be desired.

I have found in life that humor comes in many forms and each form has its place and time.

Some folks have trouble ascertaining which form to use in a particular place. So folks like me are here to help with such things.

If you are judging this forum based upon whether or not you can can use vulgar sexual references to make a joke then maybe this is not the forum for you.

Personally I think this forum has a lot to offer the Red Army community. I also feel that everybody has something they can add to make it even better. I have a feeling that you have information that would be of use to folks who are part of this forum and you are welcome to post. All you need to do is keep it civil and watch your language.

None the less we thank you for dropping by and feel free to check in to see what is taking place on this forum in the future.

Sincerely,

Dima

[daveww2]

Sasha,

All will be known. I think the next few Edge's are going to be loaded with all kinds of fun reading. If I get electronic copies of the same info I will try and post it here or over on the midwest forum.

Dave H.
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crazysasha said:

The unfortunate thing is I feel we will never know what happened. Any explanation that I have seen just states that there are "issues" that caused the impeachment. I certainly hope that Marilyn resigned before any vote was taken on the so called "Issues". If she voted and then resigned that really makes this look more like a "Kangaroo Court". From the beginning this was a "Conflict of Interest" for the BOD since the "Issues" were with the BOD and board members.

To quote Dahveed from his forum: BE SPECIFIC!!!!!!
WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT CAUSED THE IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT? WHAT CHARGES WAS HE FOUND GUILTY OF? WHY WAS AN EMERGENCY MEETING CALLED A DAY BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING? There is just too many unanswered questions.

I have pretty much given up on any straight explanation as to what really happened. The HRS has suffered. I am hoping that I also have the sense enough to forget this whole matter and this being my last post concerning it. Well at least that is my hope.
Sasha
(The Disappointed One)

crazysasha said:

Will someone in the know or a BOD member please enlighten the rest of us what really happened. All kind of rumors are flying around.

Sasha

[crazydima]

Tovarischi,

I hope this isn't going to be as disappointing as the Geraldo Rivera opening of Al Capone's vault. A lot of hype and no substance.

Next few edges? Lets see, one "Edge" per month X "next few edges" = several months to get the whole story.

Hmmmmmmmm. I am thinking this is the slow leak approach to distributing information. Not very promising.

I am breathlessly waiting with anticipation.

Well, maybe not breathlessly and maybe not much anticipation but I will be waiting.

Malcontents off the port bow, Beat to Quarters!
(scene from HRS Bounty)


Sincerely,

Dima

[daveww2]

Dima,

With threats and incinuations of Legal action that's what happens.

Dave
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crazydima said:

Tovarischi,

I hope this isn't going to be as disappointing as the Geraldo Rivera opening of Al Capone's vault. A lot of hype and no substance.

Next few edges? Lets see, one "Edge" per month X "next few edges" = several months to get the whole story.

Hmmmmmmmm. I am thinking this is the slow leak approach to distributing information. Not very promising.

I am breathlessly waiting with anticipation.

Well, maybe not breathlessly and maybe not much anticipation but I will be waiting.

Malcontents off the port bow, Beat to Quarters!
(scene from HRS Bounty)


Sincerely,

Dima

[crazydima]

Dahveed,

It is true that we have become a very litigious society.

I am of the old school where if a person threatens legal action and if I am in the right I tell them to bring it on. I have done it in the past and I will do it in the future. I am willing to spend the time and the money to uphold my family name. However, I also subscribe to the policy of responding to such actions with overwhelming force. I do not turn the other cheek.

Specifically what kind of legal action was threatened?
What was the basis for such a threat?
Was it aimed at the BOD as a whole?
Was it aimed at individuals on the board?

Will this information be answered in the upcoming issues of the "EDGE?"
Is it contained in the minutes?
Is it contained in the official statement from the appointed President?
Is it contained anywhere?

I am wanting to get "Both" side of the story since people keep telling me I am only getting one side of the story.

The curiosity is killing me. Dima has nine lives but....................

Sincerely,

Dima

[ewj]

crazydima said:

Dahveed,

It is true that we have become a very litigious society.

I am of the old school where if a person threatens legal action and if I am in the right I tell them to bring it on. I have done it in the past and I will do it in the future. I am willing to spend the time and the money to uphold my family name. However, I also subscribe to the policy of responding to such actions with overwhelming force. I do not turn the other cheek.

Specifically what kind of legal action was threatened?
What was the basis for such a threat?
Was it aimed at the BOD as a whole?
Was it aimed at individuals on the board?

Will this information be answered in the upcoming issues of the "EDGE?"
Is it contained in the minutes?
Is it contained in the official statement from the appointed President?
Is it contained anywhere?

I am wanting to get "Both" side of the story since people keep telling me I am only getting one side of the story.

The curiosity is killing me. Dima has nine lives but....................

Sincerely,

Dima

I suspect that the answer is that in a ligatious society answering your questions could make the situation for both the board individually and the society as a whole. Could it be the the BoD is not answering questions on legal advice? After all the main advice lawyers give is to shut the super naughty word up to their clients. I've had clients get into really deep fecal matter to the tune of $150,000 (plus my fee) for not not letting me do the talking.

No I'm not defending the BoD for the sake of it, or to curry favor - but to try and defuse a situation. I'd like answers and it's getting really tiresome reading about noting else.

Remember only Daveed reads this board and I'm not sure many of the BoD reads the Midwest Board. If we're not talking the board then we're merely waisting time here talking about it.

[crazydima]

Tovarischi,

Some folks are still missing the point that nothing, nada, zilch has been offered up freely by the BOD regarding this whole mess.

The information which has trickled out has been after much prodding(18+ days) and there is still no official statement after 26 days. Incomplete would be an understatement.

If the BOD(or individuals of the BOD) has consulted an attorney and the attorney told them to not say anything then maybe the BOD should have come forward and stated "Our attorney has advised us not to say anything." Since this has not happened I would venture to guess that meaningful consultation with an attorney has not taken place.

The fact that the minutes of the meeting(s) are still not ready after 26 days can and does give the appearance that folks are choosing their wording very carefully as opposed to presenting the facts of what took place.

Diffusing a situation normally applies to preventing the "bomb" from going off. In this case the "bomb" went off and now we are waiting for a battlefield assessment of the damage as well as the events leading up to the dropping of the "bomb." One could argue that secondary explosions can and are occurring but who knows.

I keep hearing that we are only getting part of the story. Dima would like to hear the rest of the story but the other side does not appear to be willing to talk.

There have been so many missed opportunities for the BOD to clear up any confusion and tell the rest of the story. To date this has not taken place.

A lot more folks are reading this board than you think. To say that Dahveed is the only one reading this board is a supposition. It may be true and it may not be true.

Not to worry though I post on other forums so my words are not just posted here.

Dima is everywhere.

Sincerely,

Dima

[crazydima]

Tovarischi,

Well the latest "Edge" arrived and it is a perfect example of why I am so disappointed in the current BOD.

What a disgrace!

Our request have fallen on deaf ears.

Details? Meeting minutes? Nope neither. A lot of fluff and no substance. Will we ever see the minutes? Will they be the truth. Who voted "yes" and who voted "no"? Who voted? What evidence was presented?

Wow! The former pres was "asked to step" down and "a unit commander was asked to leave the society"? What a lie!

Actually the former pres was impeached and removed from office and an unsuccessful attempt to also vote him out of the society took place. The unit commander was ejected from the society by vote not a request. I guess those would be the "Gory details" that the current pres is trying to "spare the membership" from.

But wait how could I know that? There are no minutes to read nor is such information contained in the current pres' statement in the latest "Edge." Ah yes, I must be an agitator or a subversive operative. Nope! Just a dues paying member who is tired of being lied to.

We have been told repeatedly by the BOD over the last month that we are only getting one side of the story. Yet the BOD has done nothing to present their side of the story. I am begining to think that there is no other side to the story.

Issues? Threats? Insinuations? I would like to hear about these things. Yet all I hear is silence.

Is it raining? Or is it.................

The lies and distractions are getting old.

A change is needed and a change is coming.

In the mean time I cannot wait to get next months "Edge" to see what more information will be given to the membership. Yeah right!

Sincerely,

Dima
(The very disappointed one)