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Post by vsahdneek on Jul 5, 2009 2:25:45 GMT -5
Hail Frontoviks!
does anyone have any idea what is going on over there with regards to how the GPW is treated in the schools of the east? or Stalin's reputation? communism?
I saw this section was blank... might as well get it going if anyone has any info on the subject... what I have stated or others... hop in... we are starting with a fresh sheet of music here... no preconceptions on my part...
as per the forum's advisory note... let us stick to how the current admin and schools view the past... I am not trying to measure the relative worth of the Putin-Medvedev Admin. or the degree to which they get along with the USA blah blah blah, but rather the way the history of the GPW is viewed there today.
Vlad
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Post by dixieflyer on Jul 5, 2009 11:49:13 GMT -5
Vlad, to my knowledge, the GPW is still viewed, both in popular culture and in the school curriculum, and the greatest accomplishment of the USSR in the twentieth century. As a friend of mine who did two to three trips to the Ukraine for his church told me, you don't say anything against two things, their defeat of Hitler and Yuri Gregarin.* Indeed, these are the only tow things these people can point to with any real pride since almost everything else their government did was a failure. There has been much in the news reports lately regarding the rising popularity of Stalin, especially amongst those that never had to live under him. During hard times, people want to gravitate towards what they perceive as a better time. Granted, when Stalin was in power, the trains ran on time, and the USSR DID have it's greatest period of economic growth. However, these people conveniently ignore the fact that this was accomplished on the backs of millions employed in slave labor in the Gulags, etc.
Yuri
*Yes, I know he went to the Ukraine and not Russia proper, but evidently the Ukrainians still view this with pride as well.
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Post by vsahdneek on Jul 6, 2009 5:28:26 GMT -5
Spaceba for the Info!
Vlad
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jul 6, 2009 12:05:00 GMT -5
Not to mention that Stalin is responsible for murdering well over seven (7) million Ukrainians in one winter, just by starving them to death!
However, it is true that the image of Stalin is being rehabilitated by the Current Russian government. I think this is actually a two fold effort, one to revive nationalism, which is waning (by Russian standards) in favor of a more international weltanschung (world view). I also think that Putin (sorry for the modern slip here) is looking to use the myth of Stalin to advance his own political career.
The GPW is still VERY strongly taught. A friend who lives in St. Petersburg says that they have several celebrations every year for the GPW vets, and history. Most average kids know who all the military leaders, and even many of the enlisted "heroes" are. Ask the average American kid who was the commanding general for either the ETO, or the PTO, and I doubt that even 10% will know.
Boridin
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Post by dixieflyer on Jul 6, 2009 12:16:08 GMT -5
10% would be a stretch at that. However, look at how many wars/armed conflicts our school kids have to look at to draw inspiration! From the F&I War, before our founding all the way up through our current ops in Iraq and Afghanistan. They, on the other hand, had the GPW, AND it was in their backyard. Where I grew up, in Alabama, we all learned out C.S. leaders. Friends of mine from the North have made fun of me/us for that, but I asked them "when was the last time a war was fought in your state?" When I was a kid, it was still a part of living memory, and it certainly is in Russia and the former republics.
Yuri
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Post by zayats on Mar 14, 2010 6:57:22 GMT -5
The GPW is still VERY strongly taught. A friend who lives in St. Petersburg says that they have several celebrations every year for the GPW vets, and history. There is the end of Blokada which is on Jan 27th, Red Army Day on the 23rd Feb, Workers Day on May 1st and then people have a quiet little holiday on the 9th May. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI_ocZIabUEThose are the big VOV related public holidays, and there are also 'days' Prazdniki' (not holidays as in days off work, but special days) 19th March - Submariners Day 27th March - MVD day 28th May - Border Guards Day 29th May - Automobile (Logistics) troops Day Last Sunday in July - Navy Day 2nd August - VDV and Airforce Day Second Sunday in September - Day of tankmen 20th October - Signalers Day 10th November - Militsya Day 19th November - Day of Missile Forces and Artillery And there are lots of others - but these are the military ones |
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