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Post by devyn86 on Mar 20, 2010 13:52:49 GMT -5
I like that photo of the fella in the Militsya uniform. Now I dont know much about that at all. Care to share what you know Zayats?
Where they the police/homeguard or something? And is that an original (i dont know the proper name) Russian "brodie style helmet?
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Post by dixieflyer on Mar 20, 2010 17:31:07 GMT -5
I know very little about the Militsya myself. However, to my knowledge, the Brodie helmets one does see are left overs from the RCW. Either that, or they were shipped to the USSR from the UK during the interwar years I suppose. To my knowledge, the Soviets never produced a Brodie style helmet.
Yuri S.
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Post by zayats on Mar 20, 2010 17:55:03 GMT -5
It would be logical to think they're British 1915 pattern Brodies, (it's what I thought as well at first) but they're a specific Civil Defence pattern. They were designed in the late 30's by the Leningrad Metallurgical Plant and they were used by PVO units, civil defence, and Militsya defending Leningrad. Externally, the helmet has similarities with a Brodie, and was a simplified (much cheaper and rougher) version of the British model and was given the informal title of Obr38. The helmet is made of steel and weighs 1.2 kg, and is 35 mm diameter and the liner was pretty flimsy and was only riveted in two places at the front and the back of the helmet. They are really rare! helmets.ru/cat_rus.htm#pvo |
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Post by dixieflyer on Mar 20, 2010 18:24:34 GMT -5
Which begs the question of: WHY? During the late 30's the Soviets had designed newer, more modern helmets. Why would they "reinvent the wheel" by making a copy of the Brodie?
Yuri S.
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Post by zayats on Mar 20, 2010 19:16:09 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly! Pochemoo? Why? However, give me a few days and I might have an answer for you, because it IS weird. What I do know is that Stavka studied what happened during the Blitz of the 1940/41 very carefully and developed their PVO around the lessons learnt from it. There could be something in that. These are the buttons for Militsya  Obr37, the gold ones were for kommander ranks, and the silver ones were for the ordinary Militsioners. We think they were made from zinc. Obr40 uniform  Shinels and finka  |
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Post by historymuseum2000 on Mar 20, 2010 21:04:25 GMT -5
I had not really thought about it but the same could be said about the US CD helmets from the '40's through the '60's . Why? I'm thinking because it is simple and not going to be used in combat. But this was not necessarily true with the Miltsya correct? On that I am ignorant I must admit.
Neat helmet site by the way!
Lev
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Post by vsahdneek on Mar 20, 2010 23:16:14 GMT -5
The Germans also made helmets for their rear area personnel that were made of lighter metal (aluminum or alloys) or even 'vulcan fiber' (fiberglass)... and probably for the same reasons, the heavier helmets were more expensive to make or used more precious materials than they could afford. It is also perhaps the case both Germans and RKKA wanted to use the different designs as a way to show these personnel were to be considered non-combatants and it was an additional way for these persons to be so identified as they served in more of a civilian civil defense role.
Volodymyr
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Mar 23, 2010 13:03:36 GMT -5
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