Mosins: Not just in Russia

[velodya]

This Afghan soldier has a nice M44 paired with his dress uniform. Pretty interesting.

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[vsahdneek]

Dang!

that guard has enough tinsel to be a British Admiral in Lord Nelson's navy at Trafalgar!!!

Volodymyr

[horsesoldier176]

Finland has, and even produced the Mosin Nagant rifle, including both the M-38, and M-44 carbine. several of the Warsaw Pact nations produced them, Red China, the NorKs made em. Both the U.S., and Canada produced them under Lend Lease during the GPW, and Germany had a re-manufacturing facility during WWII.

Boridin

[vsahdneek]

I knew about the Finnish ones, and that I think Remington made them for lend-lease... did the Germans rechamber them for 8mm?

Volodymyr

[horsesoldier176]

Dec 11, 2009 23:22:48 GMT -5 vsahdneek said:

I knew about the Finnish ones, and that I think Remington made them for lend-lease... did the Germans re-chamber them for 8mm?

Volodymyr

A few, as it actually costs more to sleeve the chamber, then re-bore the barrel, than it did to just crank out 7.62 x 54R ammo. While the Germans had plenty of captured Soviet ammo when they were on the offensive, but capturing Soviet ammo got less easy when they were withdrawing. Many of the second echelon, and foreign units that were equipped with the 91/30, and variants began to face ammo shortages, especially after June 6th, 1944, when many of these second echelon, and foreign units were no longer in the rear.

Boridin

[vsahdneek]

I remember seeing some members of a Ukrainian security unit... they appeared to have black Allegemeine pants and sidecaps, khaki RKKA tunics, and the long 91/30's in an urban mopping up action, possibly Warsaw or some other city.

Did the Germans give RKKA captured gear to the Finns... or did they capture their own exclusively... and did any other Axis power get alot of RKKA captured gear from the Germans or were they on their own to capture their own on the eastern front? I know at one point the Italians got captured Polish AT rifles from the Germans.

Volodymyr

[horsesoldier176]

I have no specific information on the disposition of Soviet stores captured by the fascist vermin. I do know that the YBB units, often carried former Soviet weapons, and some gear, but seem to have worn modified Wehrmacht uniforms.

Boridin

[vsahdneek]

Are the Finn rifles close enough to the soviet ones to accept their bayonets, parts, and other accesories, or are they distinct enough so they can not be considered clones of the Russian weapon?

Volodymyr

[horsesoldier176]

My understanding is many of the Finn weapons either are formerly Tsarist, or Soviet weapons, or they are weapons made by Finns on machines formerly of Tsarist manufacture. Remember that Finland was part of Imperial Russia for many years.

This is one reason that the Finnish made Mosins still had the hex receiver long after the Soviets had simplified their design, and dumped the hex receiver.

Boridin

[devyn86]

7.62x54r.net guys. you'll find a ton of info on ALL Mosin Nagant rifles. Very good forum if your interested in learning every little thing about your weapon also some SVT talk on there and o'course the 1895 Nagant.