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Post by bef on Jan 11, 2010 14:59:04 GMT -5
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jan 13, 2010 13:31:46 GMT -5
What year is this manual?
Boridin
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bef
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Post by bef on Jan 14, 2010 2:51:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure Comrade, but it notes PPD's as SMG's and the diagrams note 1941r so I would put it late 40 to early 41, this would also suit the Equipment, Yokes, Bread Bags etc. which soon passed out of service due to matter losses to Gitlerite Vandal Aggression against the peace loving Red Army...  Some nice details on equipment layouts.... . I wonder if the Grenade Pouch/E-Tool Carrier was issued?, it is the first I have seen mention of it, and I have not seen Historical Documentation in the form of Images to support its general use.  |
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Post by crazydima on Jan 14, 2010 14:18:34 GMT -5
Tovarischi,
Great posting!!!!
Without sitting down to trnaslate all of it it appears that the information showing the "y" strap set up and combo e-tool carrier is from a Soviet Airborne (VDV) manual dated 1942. There was also a breadbag style rear bag or pouch for airborne which also appears to be in the information.
The equipment layouts are for the various members of the landing forces based upon what weapon they carry or their job assignment within the VDV. The way to tell is by the types of ammo pouches affixed to the belt.
The combo tool carriers as far as I know were devised as an Airborne accessory and were set up once again based upon the person and their weapon. Riflemen had a pouch on the shovel cover which would carry either SVT clips or Mosin clips, others had pouches for grenades(either F1 or RGD 33).
this may be an "Air Landing Forces" manual which would cover both "airborne" (Paratroopers) as well as "air landing"(glider or plane borne troops) which would follow the paratroopers in to reinforce a landing area.
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Dima
(one who loves "VDV" but not "VD")
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jan 14, 2010 15:32:02 GMT -5
It was the suspenders in the first picture that prompted my question on year of publication.
VDV forces makes sense Dima, but I can see this style rigging being useful for other branches as well.
Boridin
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bef
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Post by bef on Jan 21, 2010 13:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by crazydima on Jan 22, 2010 11:13:58 GMT -5
Tovarischi,
Great info!!!!!!! What is the date on the manual? Do you have a scan of the title page?
I am trying to get some time allotted to get more manuals posted to Dimas archives so we have more period manuals and diagrams available.
The Spanish had the same approach to ammunition back in the 1890s. The 7mm rifle ammo was 5 rounds on a stripper clip and loaded three clips to a cardboard box. That cardboard box would fit down inside of the leather ammo pouches. So all you had to do was grab a cardboard box rip off the lid and set it down into your leather ammo pouch. Pretty cool system.
keep up the good work!!!
Sincerely,
Dima
(one who loves manuals)
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bef
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Post by bef on Jan 23, 2010 8:56:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry Comrade crazydima these are "Intercepts" from the Internet by this Rezidency's 2nd Directorate, Department 5 (Electronic Intelligence)... this is such a sweet gig, it is the gift that keeps giving all this Soviet nonsense.. ;-D .
I'm still looking for a good image ( Dimensions) of this packaging so I can make some.
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Post by ashgld15 on Jun 14, 2010 15:17:05 GMT -5
The Imperial Russian Mosin Nagant ammo was in triangular shaped cardboard boxes that were inserted into the leather box-type pouches as were the Imperial Japanese. As Dima points out, the flaps of the boxes were torn off and the ammo was ready to be drawn out by the stripper clips. Nifty,da?
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Post by dixieflyer on Jul 3, 2010 11:25:08 GMT -5
Now all we have to do is find an original box, and have someone reproduce it! ;D
I wonder when this practice stopped?
Yuri S.
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Post by jmaurer on Jul 9, 2010 23:31:26 GMT -5
Hello all! I've been working on making copies of some original cardboard cartridge boxes from a tin of early 50s dated Soviet Izhevsk 7.62x54r ammo I purchased years ago. Making the bits and pieces is no problem, but I have yet to come up with a way to duplicate the placement of the staples. Any ideas? For your edification, here are some photos:             I sacrificed one of the boxes to come up with a set of templates for reproduction:   The main divider is folded roughly in half, and the two, thicker, rectangular pieces are placed around the resulting "neck;" the bottom center of the divider's "neck" was then stapled to the bottom center of the box. I suppose the sides of the box were then stapled for completion. Also note the angled cuts at the base of the lid/flap, which I imagine would facilitate easy removal. Can anyone verify that wartime boxes were stapled? If not, then reproduction with glued assembly would be a cinch. The securing string measures right at 60 centimeters. I haven't taken a set of calipers to the various bits yet, but I'll be happy to post the info when I do. By the way, these original boxes fit inside the current offerings from Ostfront perfectly. If any of you comrades comes up with a way to staple these, please let us know. And keep in mind, these boxes contained 1950s ammo. Enjoy! Edit: It looks like the scale in the image of the divider should read cm rather that mm. I have verified that the scale shown does represent 2 centimeters. |
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Post by dixieflyer on Jul 12, 2010 11:39:39 GMT -5
Wow! Thanks! I'll have to try this. Spaceba comrade!
Yuri S.
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Post by bef on Sept 20, 2010 0:40:51 GMT -5
Comrades, This material was intercepted by this Rezidency's remote listening Complex.. It does show the correct manner to tie the top of the Meshok before the strap is attached.    These declassified Documents contain several interesting points. |
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Post by crazydima on Sept 20, 2010 16:03:51 GMT -5
Tovarischi,
This thread keeps getting better and better!
I love it!!!!
Sincerely,
Dima
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Post by dixieflyer on Sept 20, 2010 18:19:16 GMT -5
I would really like to know if jmaurer has made any more progress on those boxes for 7.62x54r ammunition.
Yuri S.
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