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Post by Transport on Aug 3, 2007 9:48:46 GMT -5
*Moderators please feel free to move this to a more appropriate location*
Is there any one out there in Living History land that portrays Russian Partisans. If so, was wondering what would be typical dress and equipage?
Simple pull over shirt, baggy trousers, boots, civilian cap, and mix of Russian and captured German equipment?
Am I far off?
Thanks in advance.
Transport out
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Post by crazydima on Aug 11, 2007 10:37:22 GMT -5
Tovarisch Transport, Sadly this is a part of the hobby which has been overlooked as a serious part of scenarios and displays. Partisans and partisan warfare was a big part of the war which the Germans had to deal with yet it is most often avoided in the hobby. At present I am unaware of any full time partisan units or folks who portray partisans full time. This is something which I hope changes. It is the perfect opportunity for men and women to portray something that was an important part of the Eastern front. By the time 1943 rolled around the Partisan movement was almost an integral part of the Soviet War effort and was under the control of the Soviet Gov't(except for some areas). There were specific Partisan units commanded in a manner almost identical to the regular military. I have done a lot of reading on the subject and have been compiling photos of partisans and partisan units. My plan is to get it posted on this forum to help folks put together good partisan impressions. In the mean time here is what I can pass along: Clothing - look at period photos of the civilian population. Not everyone was a peasant nor was everyone from a city. It was a mixture. Thus the clothing varied from pretty decent current 1940's European clothing to raggedy peasant attire. The key is to decide what look you are going for. Some partisan units had a very military look to them while many others tried to blend into the local population. Heck the most common type of hat you see in the photos is still available today at Wal-mart as well as on line at various stores. Equipment was a mixture of German and Russian as well as weaponry. In reality it is a fairly easy impression to assemble by going to second hand clothing stores and using current repop military items for Russian and German. I suggest going to this website and look through the various galleries until I can get all of the partisan photos organized. victory.rusarchives.ru/index.php?p=4Here are some articles to read: cgsc.cdmhost.com/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/p4013coll9&CISOPTR=165&filename=166.pdfcgsc.cdmhost.com/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/p4013coll3&CISOPTR=591&filename=592.pdfTher are a whole bunch more articles but sadly the website has been down for a while and I am worried that it is gone. the website is: www.redarmystudies.net/author_sort.htmSincerely, Dima (keeper of obscure knowledge) |
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Post by Transport on Aug 12, 2007 7:09:01 GMT -5
Ahhhhh!
I knew comrad Roberto would have the answers!
Splendid! Now to set to work on it.
Transport out
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Post by crazydima on Aug 12, 2007 17:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by Transport on Aug 24, 2007 5:07:36 GMT -5
Dima!
You ARE the man!
Ñïàñèáî î÷åíü!
Transport out
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Post by crazydima on Feb 8, 2008 11:29:41 GMT -5
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rats
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Post by rats on Apr 15, 2008 15:26:31 GMT -5
Excellent information and Pics!
Having recently answered the call from the motherland I have also been considering an additional persona of a Soviet partisan. And since we have some folks who are reluctant to shave and adopt a more military appearance... They would make excellent partisans!!
If plans work out, I also hope to hold a small scale "training" event with a friendly German unit. The initial encounters will include encounters with reluctant civilians, partisans, then eventually army regulars.
Thanks again for the pics and the advice! This will definately help us move forward in a productive manner!!
To victory!
Ratislav
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Post by crazydima on May 25, 2008 10:25:48 GMT -5
Tovarisch Rats,
Please keep us posted on your progress.
I would love to get a chance to use my Partisan impression.
Sincerely,
Dima
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Post by crazydima on May 29, 2008 11:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Transport on Aug 5, 2008 21:23:12 GMT -5
Tovarisch Dima!
I have enjoyed looking over your collection of sites about the partisans. Excellent! Thanks very much.
Seems that a simple Rucksack, plain belt, with some ammo pouches, 91/30 and some period civilian clothes would make one good to go for defending the Motherland.
Hope to see you soon.
Chuck
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Post by crazydima on Dec 8, 2008 15:19:47 GMT -5
Tovarischi,
here is a down and dirty list of the basics for putting together a decent Partisan impression.
The key is to look at the photos of original Partisans and see if your kit mimics the same look.
UNIFORM:
HATS:
It appears that the most common type of general head gear is what is often referred to as a “newsboy” “newsie” “cabbie” and are a hat made out of various materials with multi panels(6 - 8) with a visor on it. There is also another type by that name which is different and is not made of multi panels. Personally I would stick with the multi-panel version. In winter you will also see the use of ushankas, balaclavas etc. These should be of period materials and design. The “Newsboy” hats are easy to find new and used and are inexpensive. This type of hat is what truly adds to the Partisan look. I bought mine at Walmart for $6.00.
SHIRTS:
The most common type of shirt appears to be a pullover design sometimes similar to the military tunic and sometimes referred to as a peasant style shirt. However, you do see a lot of the standard dress shirt style with button fronts. Shirts should be of period materials and design. These too are easy to find either new or at second hand shops very cheap.
JACKETS:
A variety of jackets appear in photos of the civilian population and Partisans. The most common type appears to be that of a suit coat style in a variety of colors, styles and materials. These are easy to find at very cheap prices at second hand shops and thrift stores. Since it is winter and it may be cold I would suggest a good wool suit coat. Should be of period materials and design.
PANTS:
It appears that the most common types of pants seen in photos of civilians and Partisans are either the standard civilian dress trouser pattern dating from the mid 1800’s or the sharovari style of trousers which are tucked into tall boots. They should be of period materials and design. Since it is winter wool may be a good idea.
SHOES:
There were a variety of shoe styles in use at that time but it appears that the type which seems to appear most in photos are tall boots(jack boots). However, low boots and shoes are seen as well. Low boots and shoes are easy to find both new and used at second hand shops. Tall boots of military style and origin will be fine as well.
COATS:
Everything from padded jackets to heavy overcoats can be seen on civilians and Partisans. The type of coat must mimic a style in use in the region during the period being portrayed and of period materials. You can wear military coats of either German, Soviet or Polish military design of WWII but remember that the more military you look the greater your chances of being stopped for questioning.
WEAPONS:
Partisan units appear to have used whatever was available to them. The soviet army did try to get supplies to Partisans when possible. So this gives a fairly wide assortment of weapons to use. For this event we will limit weaponry to those used by the Soviet, German and Polish military units of the period being portrayed. Some civilian weapons of Polish, German or Soviet design may be used but will have to be cleared for use on a case by case basis prior to the event. No G.I. weapons! There is some indication that some British weapons may have made it to the Polish Partisans but for now we will avoid it.
EQUIPMENT:
This area is similar to the weapons issue. So as long as it is German, Soviet or Polish it will be acceptable. Civilian items of the region and of the period are also acceptable.
Sincerely,
Dima
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Post by Transport on Dec 21, 2008 7:50:33 GMT -5
Dima:
Thanks comrade! I was lucky enough recently to aquire a 32' dated 91/30 in excellent condition. Off to a good start!
More later
Chuck
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Post by crazydima on Mar 19, 2009 9:48:58 GMT -5
Tovarichi, Well in the process of doing research for the upcoming Indianola event I have run across some very interesting information which sheds some light on the topic of Eastern Front Partisans and their coordination with the RKKA. It appears that the Partisans of the Eastern Front were far better organized an controlled by the RKKA than I ever thought. It now make sense. Anybody who is serious about Partisan portrayals or researching Eastern Front operations should read over this information. "the Partisan's Companion" www.paladin-press.com/product/744/55This is a 195 Dept. of the Army document on WWII Soviet Partisan actions. www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/WWII/20240/20-240c.htmThis is from the Combined Arms Research Library cgsc.cdmhost.com/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/p4013coll3&CISOPTR=591This website has a lot of great information as well. www.jewishpartisans.org/Enjoy! Sincerely, Dima (partisan educated and never a stooge) |
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Post by Yugoland Armin on Apr 21, 2010 0:17:51 GMT -5
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Post by dixieflyer on Apr 21, 2010 22:00:26 GMT -5
Where are you located Yugoland Armin?
Yuri S.
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