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Post by jmatchlock on Jul 15, 2009 14:13:51 GMT -5
Polish Troops in the RKKA, there Polish type Uniforms 1943-45  |
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Post by jmatchlock on Jul 15, 2009 14:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jul 18, 2009 10:43:25 GMT -5
Question?
Where they Red Army troops, of Polish descent, or where they Polish unit attached to the Red Army?
I suspect the latter, but don't know for sure.
Serzhant Otryada Boridin
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Post by jmatchlock on Jul 18, 2009 11:11:08 GMT -5
Polish Army attached to the Red Army - 41-45 as part of the Red Army-interesting story-here is a link= lwp.armiam.com/lwp.html reenactment group with a information - do not forget the Polish Lancers -mounted not the UK group. |
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jul 22, 2009 8:47:19 GMT -5
Do not forget the Polish Lancers -mounted not the UK group. You mean the guys who attacked German tanks with sticks (lances). I remember hearing the story from one of the Panzer men who was involved. It was funny listening to the story. How dumb can you be? Boridin, Serzhant Otryada |
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Post by jmatchlock on Jul 22, 2009 12:12:10 GMT -5
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jul 23, 2009 12:19:39 GMT -5
Well Polish Lancers DID attack some of the German light armor Pz I, and IIs with lances. Needless to say it was not overly successful, but there is one tank driver who got stabbed (lanced) in the right shoulder, when a lance went through the open drivers view port, and caught his shoulder.
Beyond that I have not heard that is was of much value.
Boridin
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Post by jmatchlock on Jul 23, 2009 14:12:29 GMT -5
Borkidin, You missed the point here ! The point is not how affective to engage tanks with sticks -but the carge to engage tanks with a lance . Yes this was in 1939
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jul 29, 2009 11:50:14 GMT -5
Slussey;
You miss my point.
BTW: I misspelled your name since you choose to misspell mine.
I fully recognize, and admire the courage, but have no respect for the stupidity of attacking an armored vehicle with a stick. While it can be argued that a soldiers duty if to obey orders. To obey orders that will pointlessly, and needlessly cause your death, and that of your command, with absolutely no gain for your Troop, Squadron, Regiment, Division, Army, or nation is simply a pointless waste of life, and resources.
Any soldier who willingly commits suicide by attacking an enemy he has no hope of damaging is a fool.
Foolish courage is simply foolish.
I don't have any respect for fools!
Would not the lives of those Lancers been put to better use, buy having them disperse into the woods, and conduct hit, and run attacks on the German rear? Thereby killing at least some of the occupiers, and disrupting his supply, and morale?
Boridin
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Post by jmatchlock on Jul 29, 2009 14:27:17 GMT -5
Boridin, Not the way thy did things back in 1939
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Post by vsahdneek on Jul 29, 2009 14:33:46 GMT -5
The story as I heard it was that the lancers charged, the tanks were amazed and did not fire,
the horsemen traveled through the ranks of the tanks and then were halted and disarmed
by the following German Infantry.
Just what I had heard, not sure of the source.
Brave yes, bad tactics yes. Might have been born of shear
frustration towards the end of the campaign. On another note,
the Poles won the largest cavalry battle ever fought against the Red Army
during the Civil War period... and then less than 20 years later their once
mighty cav was useless against the panzers. Personally, I think cav will always
have a place in recon and border patrol. Might come in handy in a post-apocalyptic
scenario as well.
Vlad
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Post by vsahdneek on Jul 29, 2009 14:34:32 GMT -5
ps
is that a k98 bayonet and frog the Polish Soldat is wearing in those pix?
Vlad
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Post by jmatchlock on Jul 29, 2009 15:32:12 GMT -5
k98 bayonet and frog ? Yes
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Post by horsesoldier176 on Jul 30, 2009 13:53:13 GMT -5
Boridin, Not the way thy did things back in 1939 Spoken by a true expert on military tactics. I know plenty of WWII vets, U.S., British, German, Red Army, Japanese, and Finns, and to a man, all of them will tell you that pointless attacks, regardless of how brave they may seem, are a total waste of men, and material. While you may not understand the way real soldiers think, I assure you that I do, having been one for many, many years. |
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Post by vsahdneek on Jul 30, 2009 14:09:56 GMT -5
At OCS I was taught:
"Never deploy your troops into a situation beyond their true capabilities"
Vlad
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